Jdotb BFA Q&A #14 – 8.1 Dungeon Changes, Keystone Deletion



Comment by JetLightWolf

on 2018-12-18T03:10:03-06:00

Blargh I can’t believe how obsessed they are with chesting dungeons.r
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If your other option on a 22 or 23 King’s rest is to turn it into a 18 or 19, then just complete the damn thing without making the timer and get a random 21 or 22 key. It’s still likely faster than doing a Kings Rest that you are more likely to chest then having to upgrade the key two more times to get the same exact key from just running it and failing the timer.r
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The only situation that is not applicable is when that key size includes unavoidable one shot Boss mechanics, where trial and error wastes more time, but even then it is questionable if playing the fight perfectly to finally barely beat it, and even then you likely still take less time than 2 more runs after a slightly more doable lower KR.r
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Key deletion was insane when run you rerolled your key into a 1 less one than what you just did. Also Blizzard can’t even meaningfully balance it for high play if people don’t even touch it. Sure you can extrapolate from difficulties in lower levels but but nothing beats actual data.r
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Anyways Key deletion bordered on abuse to generate preferable keys at an insane rate from a change implemented just to fix a bug. Blizz should have curbed it earlier, but they only fixed it when the abuse became too obvious.

Comment by Jaasce

on 2018-12-18T03:14:50-06:00

Pretty sure itu2019s teaming quaking, I smell cut and paste laziness with necrotic being spoken about in the best/worst dungeonsr
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The only lazy thing here is you not bothering to read the next reset’s affixes.

Comment by Flatmo

on 2018-12-18T03:22:57-06:00

Pretty sure itu2019s teaming quaking, I smell cut and paste laziness with necrotic being spoken about in the best/worst dungeonsr
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Im pretty sure he is talking about next weeks affixes, not this weeks

Comment by Vibriss

on 2018-12-18T03:23:14-06:00

Tyrannical Underrot in the Least Affected section. Never thought I would see this day.

Comment by asix

on 2018-12-18T04:16:42-06:00

Blargh I can’t believe how obsessed they are with chesting dungeons.r
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If your other option on a 22 or 23 King’s rest is to turn it into a 18 or 19, then just complete the damn thing without making the timer and get a random 21 or 22 key. It’s still likely faster than doing a Kings Rest that you are more likely to chest then having to upgrade the key two more times to get the same exact key from just running it and failing the timer.r
r
The only situation that is not applicable is when that key size includes unavoidable one shot Boss mechanics, where trial and error wastes more time, but even then it is questionable if playing the fight perfectly to finally barely beat it, and even then you likely still take less time than 2 more runs after a slightly more doable lower KR.r
r
Key deletion was insane when run you rerolled your key into a 1 less one than what you just did. Also Blizzard can’t even meaningfully balance it for high play if people don’t even touch it. Sure you can extrapolate from difficulties in lower levels but but nothing beats actual data.r
r
Anyways Key deletion bordered on abuse to generate preferable keys at an insane rate from a change implemented just to fix a bug. Blizz should have curbed it earlier, but they only fixed it when the abuse became too obvious.r
r
Key deletion bordered on abuse? Are you serious? First of all, if dungeons were balanced – there would never be a need to delete keys, but they are not, and havenu2019t been in Legion either. You obviously never did anything higher than your weekly 10 key, otherwise you wouldnu2019t be saying what you are saying. A number of changes has to be made to dungeons that will bring the, more in line with each other or give people some sort of ability to re-roll their keys. Also, since you donu2019t really know what you are taking about, Iu2019ll correct you – you didnu2019t get a key 1 level lower than what you just completed, you got 1 key lower than your highest completed keystone that week. And that system was ok, but of course implementation can be much better. r
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In any case, I donu2019t understand why some people are getting triggered by stuff like this – if youu2019re doing you weekly 10 once every reset and donu2019t bother pushing keys, why would you even care if people at the higher end of the spectrum can re-roll their dead keys? Itu2019s not like they are taking away something from you. Iu2019ve been doing +25-27 keys back in Legion and by the end of the week everyone in my push group had either Seat+27 or HoV on tyra weeks. Itu2019s really frustrating when you know that in order to even complete that key you would need to go down to at least 25 and pray that Hyrja doesnu2019t one shot someone important in the first minute if the fight. I donu2019t mythic raid regularly anymore as I used in Legion, so the only thing thatu2019s keeping me in the game is pushing m+ with a group of friends and we obviously like the challenge, but when I got KR+17 in my weekly chest this Wednesday I knew I wonu2019t be completing it. Trust me, it really sucks to sit on a dead key the whole week, even more so if you donu2019t have a stable group to run with, means youu2019re at the mercy of people in group finder inviting you to their key, which is of course not guaranteed. And before you say again u201cwhy donu2019t you just finish it not in time and get one level lower?u201d – you can do that, if people stick around to finish the key after you wipe a few times. Once you get to a certain key level people donu2019t need gear, they donu2019t need to just complete dungeons, they want to set new records. Iu2019m sorry if you donu2019t understand the spirit of competition.

Comment by JetLightWolf

on 2018-12-18T05:56:51-06:00

Blargh I can’t believe how obsessed they are with chesting dungeons.r
r
If your other option on a 22 or 23 King’s rest is to turn it into a 18 or 19, then just complete the damn thing without making the timer and get a random 21 or 22 key. It’s still likely faster than doing a Kings Rest that you are more likely to chest then having to upgrade the key two more times to get the same exact key from just running it and failing the timer.r
r
The only situation that is not applicable is when that key size includes unavoidable one shot Boss mechanics, where trial and error wastes more time, but even then it is questionable if playing the fight perfectly to finally barely beat it, and even then you likely still take less time than 2 more runs after a slightly more doable lower KR.r
r
Key deletion was insane when run you rerolled your key into a 1 less one than what you just did. Also Blizzard can’t even meaningfully balance it for high play if people don’t even touch it. Sure you can extrapolate from difficulties in lower levels but but nothing beats actual data.r
r
Anyways Key deletion bordered on abuse to generate preferable keys at an insane rate from a change implemented just to fix a bug. Blizz should have curbed it earlier, but they only fixed it when the abuse became too obvious.r
r
Key deletion bordered on abuse? Are you serious? First of all, if dungeons were balanced – there would never be a need to delete keys, but they are not, and havenu2019t been in Legion either. You obviously never did anything higher than your weekly 10 key, otherwise you wouldnu2019t be saying what you are saying. A number of changes has to be made to dungeons that will bring the, more in line with each other or give people some sort of ability to re-roll their keys. Also, since you donu2019t really know what you are taking about, Iu2019ll correct you – you didnu2019t get a key 1 level lower than what you just completed, you got 1 key lower than your highest completed keystone that week. And that system was ok, but of course implementation can be much better. r
r
In any case, I donu2019t understand why some people are getting triggered by stuff like this – if youu2019re doing you weekly 10 once every reset and donu2019t bother pushing keys, why would you even care if people at the higher end of the spectrum can re-roll their dead keys? Itu2019s not like they are taking away something from you. Iu2019ve been doing +25-27 keys back in Legion and by the end of the week everyone in my push group had either Seat+27 or HoV on tyra weeks. Itu2019s really frustrating when you know that in order to even complete that key you would need to go down to at least 25 and pray that Hyrja doesnu2019t one shot someone important in the first minute if the fight. I donu2019t mythic raid regularly anymore as I used in Legion, so the only thing thatu2019s keeping me in the game is pushing m+ with a group of friends and we obviously like the challenge, but when I got KR+17 in my weekly chest this Wednesday I knew I wonu2019t be completing it. Trust me, it really sucks to sit on a dead key the whole week, even more so if you donu2019t have a stable group to run with, means youu2019re at the mercy of people in group finder inviting you to their key, which is of course not guaranteed. And before you say again u201cwhy donu2019t you just finish it not in time and get one level lower?u201d – you can do that, if people stick around to finish the key after you wipe a few times. Once you get to a certain key level people donu2019t need gear, they donu2019t need to just complete dungeons, they want to set new records. Iu2019m sorry if you donu2019t understand the spirit of competition.r
God damn, if that is how it worked how are you surprised Blizzard took it away lol.r
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Deletion allows you to without work generate an endless stream of +10 boosts because you don’t have to stop to push a key if the carries mess it up. Same with generating an endless stream of +10s for your guild. Thank god we didn’t know about this because I actually enjoy pushing the damn keys instead of being made to run a +2 and make another 10 for the guild…r
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Also deletion as a feature meant to fix the problems at m+ launch was literally used to circumvent the system of normal key pushing. It’s no different from glitching through Court of Stars to get the Hivemind, it is done via in game features, and circumvents the intended system of attaining the mount, remind me what people got for doing that?r
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I couldn’t care less about how you want it, because in your eyes every time you reach a new milestone you’d prefer you never got a key lower than that and that you could choose which dungeon it is for at all times. No use denying it, because deletion does nearly that with 1 level less and having to clear something that high weekly first. There is nothing wrong with the current system and why the above QnA “triggered” me, because the downgrade till you can on time it is not only not the only option, it is the blatantly worse one. r
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Balance is just a scapegoat, even if they were close oto each other and KR became the 4th easiest no one would run it with deletion as an option to reroll till you or your group get the easiest option. You don’t want competition, you want the easiest path to a high score.



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