Loot Trading in Classic Update – Customer Service Will Not Transfer Items



Comment by Skyrei

on 2019-04-13T21:44:07-05:00

“You want classic? Fine. Just don’t come to me when your loot gets ninja’d”

Comment by Ragorism

on 2019-04-13T21:48:38-05:00

Good, as it should be. r
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I’m curious to see what Classic’s scope of support will be as well.

Comment by Cipherrr

on 2019-04-13T22:05:39-05:00

“You want classic? Fine. Just don’t come to me when your loot gets ninja’d”r
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This is after all what the community has been asking for. No GM intervention with loot. So I expect they will cheer at this rather than see it as a negative. u00af\_(u30c4)_/u00af

Comment by omedon666

on 2019-04-13T22:13:02-05:00

“Ninja looting does have consequences in the community and those who do it will have trouble getting invited to group. In other words: your reputation will matter.”

Iu2019ve said it before, Iu2019ll say it again:

Classic will be very popular… among the population that know what theyu2019re getting into! This idea of empowering the community around you with u201creputationu201d mattering will be a filter of its own, for good or ill.

Iu2019m not knocking it, just stating it for emphasis. The idea and the power of personal reputation in a community living in a u201csmall townu201d mindset in classic will repel players as strongly as it attracts. Asking the modern gamer to pretend that internet gaming connectivity is novel enough for u201creputationu201d will be such a culture shock! Itu2019s honestly fascinating to contemplate! Weu2019re all so disposable now to each other because nothing about playing online comes anywhere near the u201cwhooaaa those are… other peopleu201d of early MMOs!

Comment by pikamaster

on 2019-04-13T22:41:25-05:00

What if you get invited to a dungeon and the 4 other players are from the same guild. And you got ninja loot’d by the members, what you gonna do? You can do NOTHING about it, as they are 4 when you are alone. And that they warn you that if you say something about it, they will black list you from the server (well reputation wise) welll ………. yeah that would suck.

Like if the group tell you prior to the run, that the mage need the rod, and you are fine with it. then fine, because there was an agreement.

But what if there is an agreement that got breach(like you asked to get the cloak andthey agree, but everyone needed on it)? the words of 1 is outnumbered by the words of 4… and your reputation will suffer from it (despite the agreement was made)

I hope the customer support will comeback in the future, becasue this is really stupid from Blizzard for letting ninja looting be a thing(again)

Comment by omedon666

on 2019-04-13T22:49:36-05:00

What if you get invited to a dungeon and the 4 other players are from the same guild.

Don’t find yourself there if you don’t want to risk the scenario you fear. Look both ways, and bail if something smells funny. There’s no deserter debuff.

These inter-reputational politics were the basis for early MMO social interactions. The devs will not protect you with systems or policy, it’s the wild west!

For the record, this is exactly why I don’t have time for Classic. It’s not for me, and I realize that, and respect that it IS for some people.

But yeah, that’s the answer: Leave that group if you fear the worst. Leave before you all invest time in each other and deepen your mutual investment in that moment. That’s the answer. Those things can happen, and this game predates “the internet is terrible, here are some systems to help with that.” The internet is still terrible now, and those systems won’t be there. Player beware.

If it means “don’t PUG dungeons,” that’s what that means.

Comment by Earthsense13

on 2019-04-13T23:03:58-05:00

I mean, this is how it should be. WoW Classic is free for WoW subscribers, so why put a lot of resources to it.

Comment by couchpotato2013

on 2019-04-13T23:08:01-05:00

Exactly as I expected, especially after their customer service and support staff downsizing. Classic is a pet project and a containment area for a specific audience of the wow community. And the main reason why they introduced loot trading (to hopefully play on the accidental need roll or overzealous clicking from a raid chest) was because they did not want to waste the money and time handling problems within the community. r
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Glad that they put out this message to clarify to the community.

Comment by Arraya

on 2019-04-13T23:30:04-05:00

What if you get invited to a dungeon and the 4 other players are from the same guild. And you got ninja loot’d by the members, what you gonna do? You can do NOTHING about it, as they are 4 when you are alone. And that they warn you that if you say something about it, they will black list you from the server (well reputation wise) welll ………. yeah that would suck.

Like if the group tell you prior to the run, that the mage need the rod, and you are fine with it. then fine, because there was an agreement.

But what if there is an agreement that got breach(like you asked to get the cloak andthey agree, but everyone needed on it)? the words of 1 is outnumbered by the words of 4… and your reputation will suffer from it (despite the agreement was made)

I hope the customer support will comeback in the future, becasue this is really stupid from Blizzard for letting ninja looting be a thing(again)

You take screenshots of the Party Chat/Whispers and expose them for what they are, then.

Comment by SgtGrumbles

on 2019-04-13T23:32:35-05:00

your reputation will matterr
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Please bring this back to current WoW! I want to play with people on my realm always. No cross-realm, no phasing. Just real people who I can trade and interact with, and not the illusion of population.

Comment by Jorgee9001

on 2019-04-13T23:35:00-05:00

What if you get invited to a dungeon and the 4 other players are from the same guild. And you got ninja loot’d by the members, what you gonna do? You can do NOTHING about it, as they are 4 when you are alone. And that they warn you that if you say something about it, they will black list you from the server (well reputation wise) welll ………. yeah that would suck.

Like if the group tell you prior to the run, that the mage need the rod, and you are fine with it. then fine, because there was an agreement.

But what if there is an agreement that got breach(like you asked to get the cloak andthey agree, but everyone needed on it)? the words of 1 is outnumbered by the words of 4… and your reputation will suffer from it (despite the agreement was made)

I hope the customer support will comeback in the future, becasue this is really stupid from Blizzard for letting ninja looting be a thing(again)

The loot trading rule only applies to raids. So while it’s possible 4 people could out-need role you for loot, they wouldn’t be able to trade it among themselves. They wouldn’t really benefit from the extra rolls and the whole guild would be flagged as untrustworthy. And worst case scenario, take screenshots of the conversations; you’ll have the evidence. The Blizz post just stated that they won’t intervene for trading loot; they’ll still totally intervene for harassment and threats.

Comment by omedon666

on 2019-04-13T23:40:36-05:00

Man, I remember in Vanilla I considered running any dungeon above… like level 40 to be “oh that’s over my head, I don’t have that kind of commitment!”

I was a casual when casual meant soloing as a rogue who would gouge, backstab, gouge, backstab, gouge as assassination doing circles around a yeti in winterspring in the 50’s!

Dungeons were for people with guilds, the end. Anything else, yeah, you were risking the kind of nightmare ninjaloot scenario that will only be more prevalent now because, no, we don’t see each other as people any more in internet gaming space unless we know each other personally IRL.

Guilds had blacklists of guilds and players. And they meant something. Like, that sounds insane to me now, but that was normal. One guy tells his guild that he had a bad experience with you, and that whole guild would avoid you… whether the story they got was honest or not: it was from someone they knew, and they don’t know you. I heard so many stories like this, so I just didn’t do dungeons toward the end of the game, it sounded way too crazy for my time!

If you had a problem with someone, you often asked your officers to go to their officers and it was all very “srs bsns” type stuff.

Man, just typing this is giving me both good and bad nostalgia, but you really were an independent contractor on your own and careful/paranoid of any grouping venture if it wasn’t with your guild!

Comment by Linedwell

on 2019-04-13T23:49:28-05:00

Good, as it should be. r
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I’m curious to see what Classic’s scope of support will be as well.r
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I guess it will be minimal support, and by minimal I mean no support at all.

Comment by omedon666

on 2019-04-13T23:56:33-05:00

u201cTonight youu2019re all going to be part of a social experiment…u201d

Comment by Markst3id

on 2019-04-13T23:56:54-05:00

Most of you have never actually played Wow Classic at a competitive level. All these expectations of how loot trading should be done came long after wow vanilla. Get ready for the #$%^ show I canu2019t wait to see all of you fall out before you even clear MC



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