PCGamesN Interview with Production Director John Hight – Allied Races and BFA Story



Comment by Nulgar

on 2018-05-04T00:32:20-05:00

Soooo… Vulpera AR confirmed? 🙂

Comment by omedon666

on 2018-05-04T00:34:08-05:00

“Battle for Azeroth will have two distinctive stories, tailored to each faction. Legion more-or-less told the same story for both factions.”

Ok, but we’re still going full on old gods by 8.2. If they try to tell us otherwise that’s when they’re flat out lying. If the alliance and the horde keep fighting each other when Queen Azshara shows up they are officially braindead. There are enough elves on both sides now, indeed enough “nightelves” on both sides now that there should be a strong “hey, you, Warchief/King, yeah this is bigger than your race war” message ringing out in both factions. They can keep their warfronts and their island expeditions going on as expansion-evergreen faction war themed content offerings, but the story after 8.2 will be Azshara/Old Gods. The faction war will be the “suramar” of BFA, and how relevant was Suramar by the time we were on Argus? Yeah.

Comment by omedon666

on 2018-05-04T00:53:19-05:00

It’s definitely clear after reading this interview, and this is a theory I’ve held for a while that’s supported by every allied race coming with a character slot, that we as players are kinda sorta intended to play both sides to see all of the story. They can’t come out and say that really, and I mean, I’m fine with that, and I’d intended to have “factional mains” anyway, but… “declare your allegiance,” my ass. 😛

Comment by Joyreym

on 2018-05-04T01:07:48-05:00

What are the names of people who are working on the development of each faction? So I can know who to blame or create an altar of exaltation hahahaha. I’ve heard that the leveling of the horde is more interesting than the alliance in the sense of immersion in the scenario and interesting things to do.
They join several orcish clans in a single race, but dwarves do everything separately for us to have multiple characters to up, both technically, Wildhamer and Iron already in the alliance.
I do not know if it’s to get hyped.

Comment by Asturinah

on 2018-05-04T01:08:14-05:00

I’m excited for the possibilities of Wildhammer Dwarves and Vulpera being an allied race!

Comment by Dracold

on 2018-05-04T01:10:21-05:00

“While different factions may win and lose various battles in BFA, Blizzard doesn’t want the end of the expansion plot to make players feel like they’ve definitely chosen the wrong faction.”

Aaaah. So it’s only at the very end of the expansion that we will not feel we chose the wrong faction. But until that point, we will feel nothing else.

Comment by TehLucario

on 2018-05-04T01:12:08-05:00

He does have a point. Data Mining does make us go insane at times.

Comment by angeleyed

on 2018-05-04T01:19:19-05:00

After reading this I guess if the vulpera/sethrak scenario comes true, horde will get vulpera 100%. Mixed feelings, I like sethrak a lot.

Comment by Grumar

on 2018-05-04T01:22:52-05:00

So far blizzard has done a terrible job making up feel as if we chose wrong faction, they keep saying both factions will do terrible stuff, but we have no examples of allis doing so and in fact the horde going so bad that Saurfang one of the most beloved characters and the pinnacle of honor within the horde if no all of azeroth fricking leaving the horde….

Comment by Slee90

on 2018-05-04T01:24:34-05:00

After reading this I guess if the vulpera/sethrak scenario comes true, horde will get vulpera 100%. Mixed feelings, I like sethrak a lot.

As Alliance main, I’d be ok with this. I didn’t (still kinda don’t) think Sethrak helms would work but man I really like their models after seeing them in-game.

As for Wildhammer Dwarves, having 3 dwarf races seems excessive – just give regular dwarves tattoo options imo.

Comment by omedon666

on 2018-05-04T01:36:52-05:00

Wildhammer dwarves could literally be as easy as the golden eyes were for bloodelves: Add some customization for tattoos to the bronzebeard/standard dwarves, maybe some hairstyles, done.

Comment by Nickname404

on 2018-05-04T01:39:07-05:00

Wildhammer dwarves? Y E S. Want them since Cataclysm. One of the most fun and less peacocky races.

We are our worst enemy.

Will we fight ourselves? If we’re more dangerous than Old Gods, demons, undead etc?

While different factions may win and lose various battles in BFA, Blizzard doesn’t want the end of the expansion plot to make players feel like they’ve definitely chosen the wrong faction.

Sometimes thoughts about “wrong faction” depend not on lost battles. Sometimes they depend on a lost image of faction.

Comment by cparle87

on 2018-05-04T01:40:31-05:00

So far blizzard has done a terrible job making up feel as if we chose wrong faction, they keep saying both factions will do terrible stuff, but we have no examples of allis doing so and in fact the horde going so bad that Saurfang one of the most beloved characters and the pinnacle of honor within the horde if no all of azeroth fricking leaving the horde….

Go quest as Horde in Southern Barrens and come back and tell me that. You have an outpost attacked during the Shattering, its people taken prison, beaten savagely, and when one prisoner objected to the treatment he was kicked in the head until he was blind. Then they air firebombed a civilian town so they could lay siege to the race in the Horde who wasn’t out to get them.

Comment by Grumar

on 2018-05-04T01:48:43-05:00

So far blizzard has done a terrible job making up feel as if we chose wrong faction, they keep saying both factions will do terrible stuff, but we have no examples of allis doing so and in fact the horde going so bad that Saurfang one of the most beloved characters and the pinnacle of honor within the horde if no all of azeroth fricking leaving the horde….

Go quest as Horde in Southern Barrens and come back and tell me that. You have an outpost attacked during the Shattering, its people taken prison, beaten savagely, and when one prisoner objected to the treatment he was kicked in the head until he was blind. Then they air firebombed a civilian town so they could lay siege to the race in the Horde who wasn’t out to get them.

Thats expansions old lore, by that logic garrosh lore could still be held against the horde.

Comment by Sardos

on 2018-05-04T01:50:32-05:00

Digging up Cata stuff to find the one genuinely bad thing Alliance did exposes the problem of Blizzards writing. The Alliance today doesn’t face any of the issues it used to in early Warcrafts and parts of Vanilla.

Where are the members whose hatred for the Orcs blind them to all reason? Or the members like Perenolde/Blackmoore who had no interest in the Alliance, but used it for personal gain?

Horde are getting shafted with Sylvanas, but even the Alliance players should be worried that there is no real depth to their own faction. Even Rogers/Genn are so tame in their ‘hatreds’.

Comment by Willblade

on 2018-05-04T01:54:06-05:00

While different factions may win and lose various battles in BFA, Blizzard doesn’t want the end of the expansion plot to make players feel like they’ve definitely chosen the wrong faction.

Lol, so the ending is the only thing that matters? Because rn it looks like it, and I doubt anything will fix that. No matter how “redeeming” the Horde may be at the end, it will not erase the start of the expansion.

Comment by MaXiiczek

on 2018-05-04T02:13:02-05:00

So far blizzard has done a terrible job making up feel as if we chose wrong faction, they keep saying both factions will do terrible stuff, but we have no examples of allis doing so and in fact the horde going so bad that Saurfang one of the most beloved characters and the pinnacle of honor within the horde if no all of azeroth fricking leaving the horde….

Go quest as Horde in Southern Barrens and come back and tell me that. You have an outpost attacked during the Shattering, its people taken prison, beaten savagely, and when one prisoner objected to the treatment he was kicked in the head until he was blind. Then they air firebombed a civilian town so they could lay siege to the race in the Horde who wasn’t out to get them.

This was in Cataclysm, we have examples on both sides for that time… but he meant new stories, current situation, right now Blizzard paints the Horde as evil thanks to Sylvanas’ behavior, that’s the problem for most people who care about the story…

Comment by omedon666

on 2018-05-04T02:16:36-05:00

While different factions may win and lose various battles in BFA, Blizzard doesn’t want the end of the expansion plot to make players feel like they’ve definitely chosen the wrong faction.

Lol, so the ending is the only thing that matters? Because rn it looks like it, and I doubt anything will fix that. No matter how “redeeming” the Horde may be at the end, it will not erase the start of the expansion.

It’s interesting how this medium, that plays out over months, that we are invested and personally “involved” in “living through,” can’t necesarily get away with the same sort of idea that a book, a movie, or even a TV show can cite: Just wait for the season finale. Thing is, playing through the months of perhaps…less favorable episodes costs money and more importantly, time, more time than a simple hour episode here or there. In saying “just wait for the finale…” that’s actually a bit of a deep trust fall. It’s interesting to ponder that there is a very viable argument of “um, no, I’m not going to pay you for a trip through the garbage chute just because it lands me into a valley of puppies and happiness…” Because, really if you think about it, the nature of the game demands we later be able to skip past the garbage chute because they want late joining players to catch up fast to play with their friends.

They really aren’t in a position to ask us to take that garbage chute ride, if one is truly affronted.

Comment by Dracold

on 2018-05-04T02:22:02-05:00

Digging up Cata stuff to find the one genuinely bad thing Alliance did exposes the problem of Blizzards writing. The Alliance today doesn’t face any of the issues it used to in early Warcrafts and parts of Vanilla.

Where are the members whose hatred for the Orcs blind them to all reason? Or the members like Perenolde/Blackmoore who had no interest in the Alliance, but used it for personal gain?

Horde are getting shafted with Sylvanas, but even the Alliance players should be worried that there is no real depth to their own faction. Even Rogers/Genn are so tame in their ‘hatreds’.

I am not too knowledgeable about Alliance lore, but I faintly remember reading something about Gilneas before Cataclysm came. And it sounded like Gilneas straight up refused to join the Alliance and didn’t care about the Horde in the slightest. Fast forward today, and Gilneas is basically leading the entire Alliance. I mean, look at the siege of Undercity cinematic and tell me it’s not Genn manipulating Anduin into this siege.
I guess it makes sense now that Genn hates the Horde. But that storyline came only with Cataclysm to justify this new race for the Alliance. And unlike the Horde, the Alliance never has inner conflicts.
Like the Blood in the Snow scenario. It’s laughable. The premise is that the Dwarves are divided because the Dark Irons are untrustworthy and basically back-stabby… only for Moira to become the ultimate white knight without any single flaw teaching everyone a lesson in friendliness and love and Varian being the catalyst for it because he’s the only one giving her a chance. (Learn your lesson kids: Making the first move to trust somebody who is regarded as evil is always a good thing to do and it can never have any downsides.) Every difference they might have had before was solved because the conflict ended up being just imaginary. The good dwarves were meant to be ashamed for not trusting the “dark ones” because they looked scary on the surface.
And this seems to be the extent of all inner conflict inside the Alliance. All of it is imaginary – mistrust for unfounded bias because of shallow characteristics. I am certain that the Void Elves will get the same treatment. They will be shunned because they look scary and wield “evil powers”… but then they will keep doing heroic acts with literally nothing questionable to the Alliance… and the lesson will be learned to not judge by appearances or by the source of powers.
While the Horde’s storyline will be about self interest for some races, betrayal and being brought to the brink of being dissolved. While some races will just tag along and not protest because there will not be enough screentime for them. Like how Nightborne immediately go on important secret missions that feel morally ambiguous and require the complete trust of their evil Warchief without even signaling their presence outside of the “yessir” talk.

I think that the Blizzard policy of having one team for Horde story and one team for Alliance story actually explains this stark contrast in story-writing philosophies and plot development perfectly.

Comment by Quadram

on 2018-05-04T02:32:05-05:00

So far blizzard has done a terrible job making up feel as if we chose wrong faction, they keep saying both factions will do terrible stuff, but we have no examples of allis doing so and in fact the horde going so bad that Saurfang one of the most beloved characters and the pinnacle of honor within the horde if no all of azeroth fricking leaving the horde….

Alliance full on assaults the Warchief in Stormheim, breaking the truce and technically starts the war all over again. Hope that’s a good enough example for you.
Yeah i’m also disappointed in Saurfang, hope they fix the intro scenario to him being hurt or something, staying behind to not slow the others down. Not this grumpy old man, who just wants to die “honorably”…



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